First of all; Don't get me wrong, I love guns. I'm against banning them, and we swiss people got a big gun culture too, but someone please explain how the hell the American laws are so.. Dumb. I mean when there's a shooting, the whole NRA is like; "Hurrdurr, If everyone had guns they could've defended themselves" But that makes no fucking sense... Someone please explain when America realizes that they're making it to easy for criminal dipshits to get guns. When will it be like in Switzerland? You need a license and a background check, while in the USA you are just gonna buy them, no matters if you got a license or not... Its bullshit, so someone please explain why the laws don't really work in the USA. Thank you.
>Hurrdurr, If everyone had guns they could've defended themselvesHow does that not make sense? Guns are literally for defending yourself. >Someone please explain when America realizes that they're making it to easy for criminal dipshits to get guns. When will it be like in Switzerland? You need a license and a background check, while in the USA you are just gonna buy them, no matters if you got a license or not... You need a background check and license in America too, the media just makes it look like we hand out boxes of pistols in the ghetto. In fact our gun laws are harsher than yours in many respects. >Its bullshit, so someone please explain why the laws don't really work in the USA. Thank you.We have black people, they think breaking the law and killing people is really cool
>>56422071Thank you for the reply. I should research the 'Murican laws a bit more. But about the defense part; If everyone had guns, everyone could defend themselves, but they could also abuse them. Aka what we always hear.. School shootings etc..
>>56421897>You need a license and a background check, while in the USA you are just gonna buy them, no matters if you got a license or not...You need those things here too.One thing to understand about America is that we're much bigger and much more crazy than you. The news has also made a meme out of shooting, if you want 15 minutes of fame all you have to do is be white and shoot somebody. This makes it very attractive to maladjusted people who don't give a fuck about the fact that they'll die doing it or get arrested and die in jail.Another thing to understand is that American politics are completely insane, and have completely derailed to a place where making sense and having discussions gets you nowhere. It's all about taking an extreme position and yelling as loud as you can. So every time something like this happens, one side is yelling "take all the guns away" and the other is yelling "give everybody guns". Oh yeah, and "think of the children" is a really popular argument here to coerce people into doing what you want them to do. Which is why the gun debate rages around the topic of children, why school shooting has become a meme that actually generates more school shooting, and why the definition of "children" has been expanded to include 18-25 year old men engaging in criminal activity at the time they were shot.
>>56422145They already do abuse them though, regardless of the law. There are places where guns are banned, but still criminals use guns. Criminals use guns in places where guns are allowed too, but at least victims have a chance. If my city banned guns, only people like my 5'1" wife would lose their ability to defend themselves.
>>56422292>One thing to understand about America is that we're much bigger and much more crazy than you.Oh, my mistake. I forgot to expand on this thought.Why this is important to consider is that because we are much larger (and much more diverse) than Switzerland is that it gives us many more people and much more area for "mass shootings" to happen, which gives the news an opportunity to explain to everyone why gun violence is terrible and you need to be afraid of them.
>>56422292Do you think the swiss democracy works in the USA? Because we, the people are highest tier in the government, we vote if we want something or not. BUT; You can't vote If: You have a mental disorder, a class-B citizenship, or if you are from Serbia. (Or is Serbia just not allowed to have guns..?)
>>56422342Well, as you know, we got 8 Million inhabitants, 2 million of them are foreigners, meaning every 4th person here is not swiss. We are much more diverse, not from the nationalities, but because of the number of sandniggers etc..
The 2nd amendment to the U.S. constitution was included specifically to facilitate future violent overthrow of the U.S. government. The main argument against a licensing systems is that it would make it very easy for some future tyrannical government to confiscate all weapons before an uprising could form. Although few people believe that there will be another American civil war anytime soon, there are also a lot of traditional conservatives who just respect the constitution. When the left talks about gun reform, the right sees it as an illegal encroachment on the bill of rights. They would respond the same way to legislation proposed to limit freedom of speech. A third group of moderates understands that the first group will not give up their weapons regardless of imposed law. There are people who literally bury Kalashnikovs in the forest or on farms so that they will have access to them if there is ever a war.I agree that the NRA makes ridiculous statements about people defending themselves, but I think they're just trying to influence the most uninformed people. The hard camps are established well outside the self-defense issue.
>>56422407I don't really know. I don't know a lot about the Swiss government.This may be cynicism talking, but I feel that the American people are probably somewhat divorced from the decision making in the USA. The way the system works is that the people are really supposed to govern many aspects of their day-to-day lives on the state level, but over the past century or so (since our civil war) the power of individual states has faded somewhat. Guns are still somewhat of a state matter, as some states are fairly free with guns and other states (like california) have very strict gun laws. So in that sense, the people do have control over the laws they're subject to.
>>56422758Alright.
>>56421897Not sure where you got the idea, but you need a license and background check to buy guns in America, unless it's one of the very very few exceptions.One reason we believe everyone should be able to purchase guns (granted they are not mentally ill or criminals) is because criminals will acquire them regardless. Because criminals will acquire them regardless, outlawing them only means that the common law-abiding people are defenseless against a criminal with a gun. Because we tend to value being able to protect yourself against evil, being a country born of revolution against a well armed foe, it's not that surprising that we would have an amendment specifically giving us that ability.As far as school shootings go, they are extremely rare and the media hypes them up a hundred fold, and they always occur in gun-free zones (therefore no one is going to shoot back). As for gun crime as a whole, the majority is inner-city blacks shooting inner-city blacks. If you take them out of the equation we're actually a pretty non-violent country. Take the Hispanic numbers out of that we have about as many gun homicides as other countries.
>>56421897Switzerland doesn't have nigs upping the shootingsSwitzerland doesn't have jews trying to take guns.
>>56421897Many urbanized states and cities have ridiculous "European-style" gun laws.It's only the less-populated, homogeneously-white, relatively crime-free Mid West states that allow nearly-unchecked firearm ownership/hoarding.
>>56422071>>56422292>>56422917You definitely do not need a background check or license to buy guns in every state. Most states do have a license called a "concealed carry permit" that allows people to carry handguns in public. This does involve an local and FBI background check (including full hand prints in database). But if you're over 18, you can walk into any gun store and buy a weapon for home use without the government ever knowing.
>>56421897better idea, if you want a gun you have to be white and over 30same for voting
>>56422145Criminals go after soft targets like movie theaters and schools because they know that they can do maximum damage before being killed. If faculty were allowed to have guns, they would think twice about targeting schools because their whole spree could be over in a pop.
>>56421897first, show ur boipussi.
>>56421897R A R E F L A GRAREFLAG
>>56422407>or if you are from SerbiaWhat
>>56423370R A R E F L A GAREFLAGposting in epic rareflag thread
>>56422917But countries like Sweden also has non whites. They commit about 75% of Swedish shootings.
>>56423425Newfinn none of those are rare.
>>56423120In which state is any of that true?When I lived in South Dakota, I filled out a half-page form and paid ten dollars in cash. Then I received my CCL in the mail three weeks later (would have been sooner but the retards originally sent it to the wrong address).Since moving to Massachussetts, I have had to take a $100 4-hour safety class, pay another $100 to my local PD just to apply (with a three-page form that is basically an extended 4473), then have my photo and fingerprints taken like I I am already a criminal.The only time when a buyer doesn't have to submit to a background check is at a gun show, or through private sale, except in some liberal states where private sale has to be conducted through a dealer. It is required to fill out a 4473 when purchasing directly from FFL dealers.In most states you need to be at least 21 to purchase a handgun/handgun ammo.
>>56423370If you are from Serbia, you're not allowed to acquire guns In Switzerland, regardless of your mental state.
>>56423574Ok, to clarify most of the people I know do buy through private dealers in Indiana. After doing a google search I see that there does seem to be a federal law requiring FBI notification of owner transfer. I can tell you from experience that dealers in rural Indiana do not take this seriously at all.
>be 1999>Federal Assault Weapons started 1994>bans high cap magazines and other shit>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Criteria_of_an_assault_weapon>be Eric harris>shoot up columbine high school>use pistol caliber Hi-point 995 carbine> use 10rnd magazines>fire 96 shots> reload at least 9 times>banning high capacity magazines prevents school shootings
>>56423637Why is that exactly?
>>56423890Thank you.
>>56423637And then you western inbred fucks have the nerve to blame us Serbs for being discriminatory.
>>56424178don't ask me. Its the law.
>>56421897>You need a license and a background check, while in the USA you are just gonna buy them, no matters if you got a license or not... Its bullshit, so someone please explain why the laws don't really work in the USA. Thank you.You don't need a license in Switzerland to buy guns in the Free Weapons category.The "license" (I hate calling it a license) is not really a license. It's a piece of shit paper that the cops use to make 50 bucks whenever you want to buy up to 3 quick repeating guns. Our "license" which is called Waffenerwerbsschein, is shall issue. This means that the police CANNOT DENY you the "license" to buy the guns unless you fail the criminal records extract by having entries there.So if you want to buy a K31 as a law abiding citizen for example, you have two options:>Private salesBy buying a gun similar to the K31 (bolt action and break action gun suitable for hunting and old Swiss army rifles) on a private sale in Switzerland you just need to show your ID and fill a bill of sale. You don't even need to show a background check. So in a way our private sales of these types of guns works almost like the American way.>Sales at a licensed dealerJust add a Strafregisterauszug which is the so called "Background check" to the ID.So, I have no idea what you are bitching about OP. Since here in Switzerland you can buy all the fucking guns you want as easily as in certain USA states and with less bullshit than zones like NYC and New Jersey.We actually have the laxest gun laws in the world after the USA.>>56423637Not true. You can apply for an exception. Also this law does jack shit since a shit ton of Balkan people have Swiss citizenship.>>56424178Because you guys got caught smuggling guns to your country during the wars in the 90s.
>>56421897> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.It's ingrained in our Constitution. We allow gun ownership to give our citizens the means to defend themselves in the case that our government becomes tyrannical.And please, don't give me the bullshit that tyranny is somehow unlikely. History has clearly proven otherwise.
>>56424723He's probable a Frog from the French speaking Cantons in Switzerland. It's like arguing about guns with people from the liberal states in the USA.
>>56424723We don't "allow" gun ownership- it is allowed naturally regardless of any laws.Rights enumerated in the constitution cannot lawfully be infringed even if laws are otherwise duly passed.
>>56424723Based
>>56424831Actually, I'm from the German part of Switzerland.
>>56424178It's not only serbia, it's almost the entire balkan and a few others that showed that they can't handle the freedom of owning weapons without going mental/selling it to some niggers.Banned from owning/handling (includes shooting on a range)/buying/selling any kind of firearms, parts of firearms and any kind of ammunition in switzerland are nationals of the following countries:Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Albania.
>>56421897The gun laws aren't the problem. Americans are just not fit to carry guns.They are among the most paranoid people on earth plus their police force is not that good either. Couple that with a "us vs. them" mentality in almost every facet of their life from politics to television and music and you get a lot of shootings.
>>56421897It's too late anyway, there are so much guns in America that any regulation won't do shit except pissing off honest citizens.What the fuck is the point of regulation when you could buy a gun in every corner
>>56424898Weird. I visited some relatives in Switzerland and one of them had a rifle on the wall. They're Albanian.
>>56424870Let me guess. City boy that never held a gun in his life because he's "untauglich"?>>56424898It's not about going mental.People from those countries were caught buying guns in Switzerland (back in the 90s when you could just buy anything off the counter with just an ID) and then smuggling them to their countries.Imagine the butthurt that it would have created if suddenly certain groups at war in those countries had Stgw 57s, K31s and shit like that? We would have been accused of supplying arms to rebels and shit like that.
>>56424837What exactly are you arguing against? By your logic, humans should naturally be allowed to do literally anything by law. I agree with your second statement(even though the rights clearly have been infringed), but you're arguing semantics here.
>>56423449>>56422917Sven raises a good point here Bob, if we took coloured out of the equation of every country on that list it'd significantly lower the rest too, thus making the American figure not equal to everyone else once again.
>>56421897N I G G E R SHer's your answer.
>>56425036They probably have dual citizenship.The thing about these laws is that they do absolutely nothing since most of them have Swiss citizenship.
We claim guns as part of our culture so we can defeat other countries in a war by shaming them with cultural appropriation
Toasting in a Swiss bread.Helvetia stronk.
>>56425183>not coloring everything else neutral
>>56422407Some states in the usa are far more democratic than us. They elect their judges and their sheriffs. while we can't do that here. Most of the time we can elect the head judge and others are selected by the head judge.
>>56421897>But that makes no fucking sense... Someone please explain when America realizes that they're making it to easy for criminal dipshits to get guns.They're not. Criminals buy illegal weapons. See France, they had kalashnikovs, no problem. Making something illegal doesn't prevent people from getting it, otherwise you'd not be smoking weed, my compatriot.>When will it be like in Switzerland? You need a license and a background check, while in the USA you are just gonna buy them, no matters if you got a license or not... I'm not sure it really is that way in the US. They have background checks now and the price to get weapons is rising, which is a shame because those who need the most weapons are the poor. Poor black Americans in poor black areas are those to whom weapons are the most useful.The problem in America isn't about guns, but m mental health, for mass shootings, and drugs for the rest.Considering all the money the US makes from the drug trade, I doubt they really want it abolished.>CIA probably helps South America to make drugs>gets a cut>imprisons countless niggers at home because of it>niggers work in prison: free work, modern slavery>less niggers on the street>everyone involved is a willing participant>morality feasible>police catch drugs, resell it to others, even more moneyI see no reason to end this drug stuff.
>>56424831Vaudfag here, and I will cheer you up, I hope, by telling you that I thank the Lord for Swiss Germany every day of my life, a hundred times more so whenever we have to vote. Thanks for being awesome, don't change, keep saying nein, and keep saving us.My part of Switzerland is a bunch of traitors who'd rather suck French cock than fight for Helvetia. But worry not, many of us Swiss Froggers are on your side.
>>56425036My grandfather had like 5 rifles. You need nothing to own these old rusty things.
>>56423370To prevent weapons export to the countries of the ex-Yugoslavia during the war, Serbs, Croats and Slovens were forbidden to buy weapons. A law was later passed for Shqip.
>>56425049This. Take this average American white town, where a significant part of the people have guns, and realise that they don't even have one murder a year, and you'll see the light.99% of gun murders are actually suicides. SUICIDES.
I will provide some insight for those living in countries outside of the US. I live in a major US city where blacks make up approximately 15% of the population, but account for over 80% of gun-related crime. Many of these crimes involve gang violence, armed robberies, and drug deals. The guns don't jump up in the air and start shooting on their own. The problem isn't the guns, it's the niggers. In addition, another reason why gun-related death statistics are so high is due to suicides being included.
>>56421897Because criminals don't follow laws, it's really that simple. There's a reason 95% of american gun violence is in gun free zones. Well, that and nogs being unable to live outside cities
First off, fuck you.Second off, we have background checks in the US whenever you purchase a firearm. Form 4473, check it out.Third off, we share a border with Mexico (implications should be obvious), and Canada (which doesnt have stringent importation laws on firearms)Fourth, if only 20k people (being *very* liberal with those numbers) die a year from firearms in a country of over 350 million... Who fucking cares?
>>56425255We're only neutral because we don't have the dimension of big countries. We're small, but we're not stupid. So we'll shove neutral down everyone's asshole and sell weapons to those we prefer, hoping they'll kill those we don't like. Make money, see your enemies die. No problem.
>>56425255You don't know how racists we can be... Even among ourselves, see:>>56424831
>>56425838>suicides being included.This, as I suspected. In Switzerland, we have several thousand deaths by gun a year, but virtually all of them are suicides. That's instantly a lot of "homicide". Be wary of numbers.
who /k31/ here?
>>56425865>Fourth, if only 20k people (being *very* liberal with those numbers) die a year from firearms in a country of over 350 million... Who fucking cares?I suspect most of these are suicide anyway.You're left with what, 1000 who die by the gun in a murder setting? Not worth dropping your right to bear arms.
>>56425919Don't call it racism though, we're the same race. Internal competition is good and healthy as long as you can get past it when the times need everyone to fight together.Niggers and Muslims make me love every Swiss person there is provided they are patriotic.
>>56425812Murders are homicides,but all homicides are not murders.Don't start this bullshit again.>>5642583825% of the Swiss residents are foreigners. 1/10 is not pol-white, but the shit doesn't go awry like in the usa. The problem lies somewhere else.>>56425865>we share a border with Mexico (implications should be obvious).You mean you export more than 10k guns per months to mexico, in exchange of money laudering and cocain is it?
>>56426111>you mean you export drugs and guns?Yeah, pretty much. It all makes its way back here in time. See Fast and Furious. The... Legal case, not the movie.
>>56426007It's even worth, it's a form of xenophobia, based on language.You know, I raged hard when I saw those Shqip raising the Albanian flag while wearing the uniform. I would have stripped them, and all their family members from citizenship on the spot and granted them a one way ticket to Kosovö.Even the Niggers and Muslims I saw during My RS where better than that.
>>56426244It's actually the USA that are exporting guns.
The law isn't the problem because when they are followed they work. We simply have nigger problem. Blacks are responsible for the vast majority of gun related crime then add suicide with a firearm into the equation and things get misrepresented. Remove the common denominator (niggers ) and our statistics mirror yours. Why are we even talking about this? Don't you have a prayer rug to purchase in order to prepare for your eminent conversion to Islam?
>>56426111>Murders are homicides,>but all homicides are not murders.>Don't start this bullshit again.Didn't mean to, I'm aware of the distinction, just didn't think anyone would get anal on it.>25% of the Swiss residents are foreigners. 1/10 is not pol-white, but the shit doesn't go awry like in the usa. >The problem lies somewhere else.Much of these foreigners are European skilled workers. Where I live, that's 98% of the foreigners. EuropeanTown could be its name: 3 times out of 5 when I go shopping, I hear English. Whenever I go to the bar, I hear English. White people from all over seem to come here for work.The problem is mental health, for the Americans. That's all. We've had the same problem here a few times.>dude shoots up government>dude shoots up porno cinema in Lausanne
>>56426322>You know, I raged hard when I saw those Shqip raising the Albanian flag while wearing the uniform.This should be punished heavily.These faggots train here and plan to go fight in their home countries.
>>56426468>>56426468>Dude shoots up porno cinema in LausanneI guess he blew his load :3
>>56426424>Don't you have a prayer rug to purchase in order to prepare for your eminent conversion to Islam?You mean "imminent", my good friend. We don't have that many Muslims here, and those who are relate to Islam culturally more than religiously. We banned minarets and with the current events, we're unlikely to accept any Islam foray into out culture and law. Don't worry for us.Even the young are more "racist" than ever.
>>56426573When this happened, my brother said, "Si tu vas au cinéma porno, prépare-toi à prendre une branlée."Puns, puns.
>tfw gun ownership isn't correlated with crime>tfw gun ownership is less correlated with homicide than road fatalitiesDoes anyone have any ideas of other factors I can add? I'm trying to gather as large a set of data as I can and do a very detailed analysis of it over the course of the winter through to summer next year.
>>56426364No, no, I know. Theres a fuckload of firearms shipped from the US to Mexico - 10k a year is super optimistic, I'd say you're probably looking at around 125-250k individual firearms shipped down there, and then distributed among the world.Its a bitch, it truly is, but when you disassemble a firearm into its components its damn near impossible to ID. Most people dont even know that something like an AK *has* a gas piston, much less how to pick it out of a 5 ton pallet of scrap.
>>56421897>Someone please explain when America realizes that they're making it to easy for criminal dipshits to get guns.Nice proxy.
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>>56426468Tu vis à Genève , à Lausanne, ou entre-deux? Sur l'arc Lémanique, certaines petites communes peinent à trouver des gens pour les conseils communaux, malgré que leur population ait explosé (+10% à 40%) en 10 ans. Tout cela parce que quasiment aucun nouvel arrivant n'est Suisse. Ce qui fait que les repsonsabilités (et les risques) augmentent, mais pas la rémunération et les moyens. Tout cela sans compter les transferts de charges du Canton au Communes.
>>56428077Around Nyon.>mfw
>>56425040>By your logic, humans should naturally be allowed to do literally anything by lawthey should. name a thing that a human can do that does not affect any other humans but should still be illegal?
>>56428077I live in Geneva. Just in the UK because university.
>>56422921>Switzerland doesn't have jews trying to take guns.False. Switzerland sadly and Ironically has a rabid anti-gun movement, and they recently had more than one referendum put to the Swiss people to do major damage to the Right to Keep and bear arms in Switzerland, on both civilian gun ownership and militia gun ownership levels.Luckily the pro-tell pro-gun movement in Switzerland won the referendum, but not really by much, dark days could be ahead for Switzerland if the feminazi/radical libtard etc bloc increases but Swissanons will know more and be able to explain this.
>>56429543>Luckily the pro-tell pro-gun movement in Switzerland won the referendum, but not really by much, dark days could be ahead for Switzerland if the feminazi/radical libtard etc bloc increases but Swissanons will know more and be able to explain this.Since you're American, ask your government, who funds ISIS, to attack us. Once we're under real attack, people will change attitude.Thanks.
>>56422145Think of it like nuclear deterrent. If everyone is armed nobody will want to use them.
>>56425969>You're left with what, 1000 who die by the gun in a murder setting? Not worth dropping your right to bear arms.Bro we have something like 12,000 legitimate murders in this country per year. Maybe double that in suicides.the murders, a high percentage of them are black killing black, in the black ghettos, but we have a good amount of white humans actually getting killed here. We are probably five times more dangerous as a country than you, but ten times safer than a true gun-control paradise like Mexico or Brazil.Look at our white pro-gun states like Vermont and New Hampshire or Maine, you will find low low murder rates, and high gun ownership rates. Reminds me of a country with a red funny flag.
>>56426800here just analyze this image, explains everything....
>>56430235Saved for my Swiss folder.
>>56426364Shipping guns to the Mexican drug cartels is a US government program. Ironically (or not) by the Democratic party, the "anti-gun party" who is trying so hard to take our guns every day.>What is operation fast and furious.>Same US government who ships TOW rockets to ISIS?Yeah same US government.
>>56430439Yes I know of this but I need to have a sound, full sourced case with no gaps if I'm to have any impact on the political climate in the UK around guns.Not just pictures.It needs to be air tight.Any factors you can think of I need to account for so that after all my work the leftist memes about le social circumstance or some bullshit won't come up.I need to show definitively that gun ownership has little to no effect on crime rates in Europe, since most people will dismiss studies from the US.
>>56430633>I need to show definitively that gun ownership has little to no effect on crime rates in Europe, since most people will dismiss studies from the US.Look at London: consider knife crime. If you don't get shot, you get SHANKED, mate. It's comparable, and favors the US and Switzerland, over you, as we have less crime.Burglars are more likely to burglarise London than Austin, Texas. It's common sense.
>>56429868Not if france is any example.>Be French>Get attacked by (well allegedly) by radical murderous Islamics.>Immediately pass laws to disarm themselves.Plus.>Ever harm a glorious Swiss.
>>56430849Unlike France, we get to intiate votes on new laws. If this shit happened here, there'd be an initiative for a new law on Islam and it'd pass. There may be stuff going on right now based on Paris.
>>56430790The response will be that "if we let them have guns more people will be killed since it's easier to kill someone with a knife than a gun".Thank you for making me think about burglaries though, I'll need to look into that.Although UK crime statistics are doctored beyond belief so it will be hard to find reliable data.>>56431054Based direct democracy.Democracy and an armed population work hand in hand.
>>56430633>I need to show definitively that gun ownership has little to no effect on crime rates in Europe, since most people will dismiss studies from the US.Sir my only interest is Liberty, and I don't bother with statistics, but if I could answer that I would.Also I don't believe that "gun ownership rates has little to do with crime" Look at the heavily armed Swiss, and they "almost" have no crime, while in disarmed England you poor lot get robbed and stabbed by rampaging Pakis and niggers on a daily basis. (I am sorry to say). Look at the disarmed French, they sit around in theaters like the helpless sheep they are and get shot easily one-by-one in the latest "terrorist rampage"But ask your question requesting statistics on future gun threads here and I hope someone can answer you with sources. I can't.
>>56431343Thank you friend.I too stand for liberty, something the British Empire used to stand for.I should have a full report written by summer next year, hopefully.I'm not exactly sure where to go from there though. Still, I've got half a year to work that part of the plan out.
>>56431527Start with history lad. There is also a story of how Britain put out the call to America, to American civilians, to send guns to England in WW2 or WW2, to literally send guns to you British for the fight. I wish I had a lot of links and images for that, but can't find it.
>>56431794Won't work, that's weak to the "it's 2015, the government loves us" argument.
>>56421897The bottom line is there are already so many guns (more than people speculated) in the US. By the way. There are background checks and licenses required, there's just no way to enforce that with behind the scene trades/deals of guns. More stringent regulations or banning of guns will leave criminals with the unregistered unlicensed guns they already own, and registered, law abiding citizens with nothing to defend themselves after they are confiscated. Guns are a part of America and that is never going to change
>>56431847ouch. then talk about the genocide of the unarmed and helpless in 2015. If you are dealing with true zombies, start with the Holocaust, mention the laws that Hitler wrote, that specifically disarmed the jews and (political opponents like communists) then genocided them (remember it's a religion for blue-pills to believe in the holocaust, so you can use it in every example)Then go straight to ISIS controlled territories in Syria and Iraq, where Christians are being genocided, slaughtered literally on film and posted videos online by ISIS.Show the massacred Christians and say "so past and current history proves you have to disarm a people before you genocide them, who do you need to kill?>Hitler took the guns from the jews, and genocided them. (and provide qoutes and facts of Hitlers gun laws)>ISIS requires Christians to be disarmed in ISIS help territory (or in the "Islamic State") then they genocide them.>Who are you planning to massacre gun-grabber?
>>56421897WE are not making it easy to get guns in criminals hands you dumbass, what the fuck just happened in France? I don’t think a gun law will be worth a damn of a group of niggers or mudslimes want to kill you
>>56433370>>ISIS requires Christians to be disarmed in ISIS help territory (or in the "Islamic State") then they genocide them.Ooops I meant "ISIS held territory, or the "Islamic state"pic related is the fate of Christians in the Islamic State, after they comply with ISIS rules for Christians that they be disarmed.
>>56433370The response is then "but the government loves us, you're crazy if you think we can become a tyrany in 2015".Although these are decent points I think they'd have to be made very very subtly to avoid people switching off straight away.If I was to report anything like that in the media rather than in person the only part of my report to be publicised would be that I blame the jews for the 'caust.Just like what happened to Ben Carson except I'm just some shmuck.
>>56421897>never see a murder in your life>everyone is armed>I'm supposed to care about some kike exploded media event that has nothing to do with me.
>>56421897your country is teeny tiny, ours is the entire Eurozone, with borders and different states.you can guns in one state. people buy guns from a neighboring state.suddenly a flea market could open up one weekend and boom, guns traded without background checks.its one thing to say "why is this particular state so dumb on guns?"its another to be like "why is this nation of nations always so dumb when it comes to gun rights. its so simple.like nigga, our country is big as fuck. reference me to the European gun rights head.
>>56433370>dat picture>holds onto guns firmly
>>56433782>mfw I bought that exact cauldron
>>56434257>"but the government loves us, you're crazy if you think we can become a tyrany in 2015".Then I would just say "funny that's exactly what ISIS told the Christians when they disarmed them"Then condemn your gun-grabbing opponents and monsters and handmaidens for genocide. Which is exactly what they are. Good luck.In fact I would pull out the Holocaust and the Cambodia genocides first, then they rebut with the 2015 retardation, then go to ISIS.
>>56424723This. Also, you do not need a license where I live. A quick background check at a gun store and I'm free to go with my new purchase and open carry it. Gun shows rarely even pretend to care about notices of transfer.
>>56434591>cauldronDayum. I want to live in a country where we call everyday kitchen devices "cauldrons."Oh well. At least we have guns.
>>56424959Our police force is fine, we actually need more policing in a lot of areas. The only shootings come from the mentally ill or minorities in most cases.
>>56434597I'm going to have to do a lot of reading for this.One mistake in my history and I'll get "lel he doesn't even know the correct date this happened LOL, epic right wing fail".
>>56435099To be fair, I'm not sure how anyone outside Switzerland calls it. We say "caquelon" in French, and I'm not even sure how to spell this.It's a little cauldron basically. We melt cheese in it, then dip bits of bread at the end of long forks. Fondue!You don't get any Swisser.
Wo läbts sich guet und ruhig ohni drecks muslime? Halts nüme us im Thurgau, es isch eifach nur no schlimm. Wot nur no weg vom Züri Dreck.
>>56435464>It's a little cauldron basically. We melt cheese in it, then dip bits of bread at the end of long forks.>little cauldronI was not prepared for these levels of comfy
Euros obviously will never understand how fucked up our niggers are. Don't waste your breath.
>>56435648Zieh richtig Bärge, je näher desto besser wirds.
>>56421897>Mfw you can buy 7.55x55 bolt action rifle without background check in Switzerland.
>>56435830>Zieh richtig Bärge, je näher desto besser wirds.Pourtant, il y en a un sacré paquet en Valais des Musulmans, mais ils prennent l'apéro à 11h comme tout le monde!
>>56435696>I was not prepared for these levels of comfyGet ready for more:>lives in a chalet>it's a little wooden house in the mountains>little cauldron is ready>snow falls by the window>when I look outside, I see pic related>eating delicious molten cheese with bread>fuck yeah, I'm Swiss
>>56421897We don't have a gun law problem mr. Medpack. When we were 95% white, we could buy machine guns and explosives no problem, and our crime rate was relatively low. Then we became 60% white and got a ton of our gun rights taken away and now look at us. It's not a gun problem, it's a nigger problem and sadly, if the current migration trend in Europe continues, you're about to learn that the hard way.
>>56436218I read that post as I stroked my Swiss k31. Feels good
>>56436388>We don't have a gun law problem mr. Medpack.Next time you play a game and get one of those, or check your HP, think of me, no homo.I agree with you, though, and I'm not OP.
Swissbros, suppose I want to get a weapon, how do I go about it?Be exact.
>>56436475gib plz
>>56424259Vat are yew talkink about?VAT ARE YOU TALKINK ABOUT?!@ :^)
>>56436239Ugh, have to fresh up my french.Ein heiliges Pack Muslime nimmt den apero um 11 wie jedermann?
>>56422917>One reason we believe everyone should be able to purchase guns (granted they are not mentally ill or criminals) is because criminals will acquire them regardless.I keep seeing Americans say thisSo when you have your monthly high school shooting, the reason why you keep claiming that gun laws wouldn't help is that the 16 year old beta shooter would have just bought a gun from some dangerous shady black market criminal dealer for 10 times the price?Gun laws wouldn't completely stop every real criminal from getting a gun, but they'd sure make it harder for your average SUPREME GENTLEMAN to murder a dozen innocent people because he got rejected.
>>56439919Good argument, actually. Not sure it works out in the end.If we cancelled "gun-free zones", then shooters would know schools aren't easy targets anymore. Arm teachers.And any adult in a school. Isn't that the most logical choice? When you get attacked, you defend yourself.>no, instead, we'll whine>ok
>>56439919I've only ever known one gun criminal.It took him months to get his hands on a gun. Maybe that proves he was a bit nuts. You can literally buy a gun at wal*mart. At least he only shot himself with it.But not having a gun wouldn't have stopped him from doing that. The gun was only one of three things he tried to do in the last few milliseconds in his life to ensure that he would die. And that was after he tricked a fake doctor to get him on his pills of choice.
>>56439919>16 year old beta shooter would have just bought a gun from some dangerous shady black market criminal dealer for 10 times the priceI'm from the UK and I knew a guy when I was 16 that would have been able to get me a hand gun.For less than the normal price of a handgun in the UK.And I was pretty beta when I was 16.>So when you have your monthly high school shooting, the reason why you keep claiming that gun laws wouldn't help is that the 16 year old beta shooter would have just bought a gun from some dangerous shady black market criminal dealer for 10 times the price?>mfw 16 year olds can't buy guns legally as it is, how would more laws stop them?
>>56439919It's also illegal to sell guns to the mentally ill.
>>12345678I just want to see who has this post number
>retarded other americans immediately reply to the thread with incorrect information about gun laws in the USAWhat's even the point when these dipshits can't even articulate what the laws are, trying to explain it to foreigners.
>>56441709If you can do a better job, go ahead.
>>56441966Easy.50 states, 50 different set of laws underneath a federal architecture of the Gun Control Act of 1968, FOPA 1986, Brady Handgun Act 1993 and a bunch of minor amendments over that period of time.Beyond that, it depends entirely on the state. Unlike these dipshits I actually know gun laws, it's a part of my career.
If you had a 10% black population you'd also experience widespread gun crime.
>>56440472Delivery driver here. I deliver to schools with pic related under my shirt. Ccw license exempts me from the gun free part. I love children and will go down protecting them if need be. As long as nobody knows you have a weapon, it doesn't matter. Nobody ever looks and I bypass metal detectors in front of police. Have the right attitude and guns are a non issue.
>>56423120You are not very well informed and I would appreciate it if you ceased representing the United States in this conversation. Thank you.All dealer firearm sales in all states put in an NCIS instant background check. This is just a quick electronic database check that makes sure you're not a felon, etc. Some states you can then walk out the door. Other states have a waiting period.You can buy guns online from out of state but the NCIS check still goes through. The seller must then ship the gun not to you, but a Licensed firearms dealer, who will then give it to the buyer: often they charge a small fee.The exception is private sales, and private sales include gun shows. Here you are free to sell your property, including guns, to anyone you want without an NCIS check. However, they can only be sold privately to people from your state, as the Fed controls inter-state commerce and they use that as justification.The trouble with the "gun show loophole" is that selling stuff to people at a gun show is legally no difference than selling one to a good friend or family. The Fed has zero jurisdiction in this; it is completely state controlled. And most states want the Fed to fuck off.The only state that requires a firearm license is Illinois. I know, I have one.
>>56442078Is there anything all states have in common?
>>56442296Forgot pic, fuck
>>56442311Navy Criminal Investigation Services has nothing to do with buying a gun.NICS.NICS
>>56442345Nice.
>>56442311>The only state that requires a firearm license is IllinoisAnd New JerseyAnd MassachusettsAnd CaliforniaAnd MarylandAnd Connecticut
>>56442311Now, to give some additional information for our Euro friends, and why they have difficulty understanding some of our laws.The first important aspect is the Second Amendment. Most European countries aren't founded on a set of concrete laws like this. The fact is, the US Constitution states with 100% authority that US Citizens must be allowed firearms. This is what makes us unique and why the Left has temporarily fallen back on their attempts to disarm people.So with Constitution establish we now look at the players. The Federal Government big, but technically only granted explicit powers. Meaning the constitution has to directly say what they can do, anything else they can't. However, the Fed has slipped some federal legislation through like effective machine gun ban (no new fully auto guns can be registered, however pre-ban ones are still legal but super expensive due to their rarity). One power the Fed does control is Interstate Commerce. They apply this to gun laws by largely blocking any direct firearm sales between states, I'm sure the Fed would love to do more, but they're all still plenty of constitutional scholars in the US government that are watching them like a hawk.So in reality most control is up to the States, and it is true we have 50 set of gun laws in this country. Some like Alaska and Arizone don't give a fuck. Some like Missouri has state laws saying Federal agents who try to enforce federal gun laws are to be arrested in their state. Some on the East coast do everything they can to make it hard to get a gun, or ban some gun parts based on being scary looking. Others like California have magazine capacity limits. Illinois is the only one that requires a license for ownership and ammo purchases. The states can pretty much do whatever they want except they can't outright prevent gun ownership due to the second amendment. Also all dealers (as all are involved in interstate commerce) must follow the Fed rule of the NCIS check.
>>56442638True somewhat. Although I wanted to separate the flat FOID card which covers general ownership from the many CCW licenses etc.Mass, NJ, Hawaii, and IL have general ownership cards, not sure about Cali, Maryland and Connecticut.
>>56421897I think what you're not taking into consideration is the slippery slope. Give the left an inch and they'll take a mile. otherwise I more or less agree with you. Background checks are reasonable. anything else additional is notwe have a large violent black population and race war is just a matter of time. white/asian/etc people need the means to defend themselves and their families